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Title: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: z4iken on December 01, 2017, 01:22:36 PM
A Practical Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep (JK Owners Edition)

Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the poopy new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation.
 
CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep.
 
 
Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep:
The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand.
 
These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.”
 
Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths:
 
"Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7."
"Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ."
"Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ."
"Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK."
 
So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.” 
Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms.
 
Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry:
Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples:
 
Real Jeeps have round headlights!
Real Jeeps have two doors!
Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning!
Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension!
Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows!
etc.
 
Now let’s try some of our own,
Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission!
Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights!
Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain!
etc.
 
Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in!
 
Step 3 - Craft your long form rant:
 
Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks.
 
“These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep) who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end parts supplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!”
 
See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do?
 
Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners:
 
These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever.
 
Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep.*
 
* Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did.
 
By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way.
 
Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo:
 
This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours.
 
NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as:
 
“Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.”
“Coils do ride better on the road.”
“Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.”
“Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?”
 
Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner. 
You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made.
 
I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period.
 
Which is what we all want… right?
 
That concludes today’s tutorial.

taken from https://www.reddit.com/r/Jeep/comments/7gr855/a_practical_guide_to_hating_new_jeeps_how_to/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: Gr8Dain on December 01, 2017, 01:53:38 PM
JK was the last?  No sir. The CJ was the LAST real Jeep. ;)


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: Search on December 01, 2017, 02:08:17 PM
This is hilarious


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: Dropkick on December 01, 2017, 06:17:58 PM
Love it. Thanks for the laugh


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Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: 02tj on December 01, 2017, 09:26:31 PM
JK was the last?  No sir. The CJ was the LAST real Jeep. ;)


No Dain.... bantam brc40 was!


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: Gr8Dain on December 01, 2017, 09:31:03 PM
JK was the last?  No sir. The CJ was the LAST real Jeep. ;)


No Dain.... bantam brc40 was!

Touche!


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: 02tj on December 01, 2017, 09:31:21 PM
I dont usually like the new models but this one seems true to the jeep brand, first one that has some of the features we have been looking for. took me 10  years to come around to the jk line but I still think the most fun Ive had was in my 02 tj. that being said, I havent finished building my cj2a yet!


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: 02tj on December 01, 2017, 09:32:59 PM
A Practical Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep (JK Owners Edition)

Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the poopy new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation.
 
CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep.
 
 
Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep:
The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand.
 
These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.”
 
Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths:
 
"Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7."
"Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ."
"Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ."
"Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK."
 
So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.” 
Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms.
 
Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry:
Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples:
 
Real Jeeps have round headlights!
Real Jeeps have two doors!
Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning!
Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension!
Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows!
etc.
 
Now let’s try some of our own,
Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission!
Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights!
Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain!
etc.
 
Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in!
 
Step 3 - Craft your long form rant:
 
Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks.
 
“These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep) who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end parts supplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!”
 
See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do?
 
Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners:
 
These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever.
 
Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep.*
 
* Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did.
 
By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way.
 
Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo:
 
This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours.
 
NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as:
 
“Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.”
“Coils do ride better on the road.”
“Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.”
“Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?”
 
Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner. 
You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made.
 
I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period.
 
Which is what we all want… right?
 
That concludes today’s tutorial.

taken from https://www.reddit.com/r/Jeep/comments/7gr855/a_practical_guide_to_hating_new_jeeps_how_to/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage

Man i love this! Its so true! Im guilty!


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: RattleTrap55 on December 01, 2017, 10:33:55 PM
What they built a Jeep after the CJ - Get Out of Here.... Who knew, I thought for sure they were dead.... ;)


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: TrailBird on December 03, 2017, 01:39:10 PM
 :rotfl  :tu


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: dave2002ti on December 03, 2017, 04:41:36 PM
Nothing new here. Porsche owners way back when used to say real Porsches are air cooled, have 4 cylinders, and 4 cams. Then it was real 911's are air cooled.

Dave Apker


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: wbsjp on December 03, 2017, 04:58:52 PM
I just read somewhere (Dec 17.Car & Driver) that the XJ was" the most significant and popular model since the CJ "
So  Unitbodies unite,,,,,,
Take that u widebodies...


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: unl1mtd on December 03, 2017, 08:52:47 PM
Love this. I was new to the Jeep scene with the LJ and it was universally loved so I wasn’t a victim of Jeep hate. I think it reminded people of the scrambler which was so loved. But in seeing the cycles since 2004 it’s such the truth when a new model comes out.


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: Albatross31 on December 06, 2017, 09:31:38 PM
Will the hatred be spread evenly across all of the new JL powertrains or more heavily on certain ones?  Great post!


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Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: overhead on December 06, 2017, 09:32:31 PM
Will the hatred be spread evenly across all of the new JL powertrains or more heavily on certain ones?  Great post!


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I'm gonna hate whatever rendition has the rear Dana 35.


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: unl1mtd on December 07, 2017, 08:31:13 AM
Will the hatred be spread evenly across all of the new JL powertrains or more heavily on certain ones?  Great post!


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I'm gonna hate whatever rendition has the rear Dana 35.

I’m just glad they don’t have square headlights!!!!


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: Jammer on December 08, 2017, 08:58:54 AM
On a odd note, I kinda feel that the "real" Jeep went away when they changed the roll bar after the YJ years to the "family" styling.  To me, that lost some of the classic Jeep appeal.  I know, it's a nit picking thing, but love the look.

But, up through the TJs are what I consider a real Jeep.  It's what made Jeep a Jeep.  The short body the schweet looks.  Heck, it was a Jeep.  Then they came out with the Unlimited.  Was not a fan of the extended cargo area.  Looks so off.

Then the BIG change....the four door.  The baby hummer wanna a be.  Yeah, carries the Jeep name but not the Jeep look.  And yes, the four door is probably what actually saved the Jeep as most people wanted a more family friendly version.

I don't knock them either way.  Its a choice.

But hey....we do love our Jeeps!

=)


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: Gr8Dain on December 08, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
On a odd note, I kinda feel that the "real" Jeep went away when they changed the roll bar after the YJ years to the "family" styling.  To me, that lost some of the classic Jeep appeal.  I know, it's a nit picking thing, but love the look.

But, up through the TJs are what I consider a real Jeep.  It's what made Jeep a Jeep.  The short body the schweet looks.  Heck, it was a Jeep.  Then they came out with the Unlimited.  Was not a fan of the extended cargo area.  Looks so off.

Then the BIG change....the four door.  The baby hummer wanna a be.  Yeah, carries the Jeep name but not the Jeep look.  And yes, the four door is probably what actually saved the Jeep as most people wanted a more family friendly version.

I don't knock them either way.  Its a choice.

But hey....we do love our Jeeps!

=)

Different strokes for sure. I personally love the longer wheelbase of the LJ. Reminds of a certain older Jeep model. Hmmm, I wonder which one.  ;)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/ce461ae6207dfd499a1b561ddcdfaa3a.jpg)


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: Jammer on December 08, 2017, 01:28:01 PM

Different strokes for sure. I personally love the longer wheelbase of the LJ. Reminds of a certain older Jeep model. Hmmm, I wonder which one.  ;)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/ce461ae6207dfd499a1b561ddcdfaa3a.jpg)

And that badge on the front quarter really sets it off!!  =)


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: TrailBird on December 10, 2017, 06:06:15 PM

But, up through the TJs are what I consider a real Jeep. 


Hook, line, and sinker.  :rotfl


Title: Re: A Guide to Hating New Jeeps: How to Establish Your Jeep as the Last Great Jeep
Post by: z4iken on December 13, 2017, 11:11:24 PM
On a odd note, I kinda feel that the "real" Jeep went away when they changed the roll bar after the YJ years to the "family" styling.  To me, that lost some of the classic Jeep appeal.  I know, it's a nit picking thing, but love the look.

But, up through the TJs are what I consider a real Jeep.  It's what made Jeep a Jeep.  The short body the schweet looks.  Heck, it was a Jeep.  Then they came out with the Unlimited.  Was not a fan of the extended cargo area.  Looks so off.

Then the BIG change....the four door.  The baby hummer wanna a be.  Yeah, carries the Jeep name but not the Jeep look.  And yes, the four door is probably what actually saved the Jeep as most people wanted a more family friendly version.

I don't knock them either way.  Its a choice.

But hey....we do love our Jeeps!

=)

The JKU is basically the spiritual successor to the XJ, just with the added bonus of being a convertible!