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Title: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: Fuzzy88 on December 31, 2017, 08:39:45 AM
You were laughing when you clicked on this wern't you?

So I am looking to get replacement tires.  Currently I have Kumho mud tires that came on the Jeep.  I cannot stand them and they are cupping bad.  They are 315/70/17.
I want to go with all terrain tires and I really want to get 35s but that means 5 tires instead of 4 .   Looking at cost it would be better to just stay the same size and get 4 tires.  However, any time you are changing something up , you should always go bigger or better , right? lol.    Looking at the KO2's they are expensive.  like really expensive.  Lots of great reviews etc. 

So.  The bottom line.  Is there a tire that is less expensive than the KO2 that is similar in performance but not as bad on the wallet. 

Thanks for reading.  :jw

Dale


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: Jeepsnbuses on December 31, 2017, 09:05:08 AM
Are you talking about the Kumho Road Venture series? I have them in my DD (08 Silverado), not my Jeep, but they’ve held up extremely well for the price. I think my AT51s were around $145/tire, they’re quiet, 10-ply, and have done the job in muddy/sticky situations. Are you sure it wasn’t just a poor rotation schedule or inflation level by the PO that led to cupping?

Both the AT and MT Road Venture line from Kumho are worth a look. They’re solid tires and you won’t find a cheaper 10-ply. Otherwise I don’t know if you’ll be able to find a tire around that price range that isn’t made by some junky brand like Milestar or Pathfinder, and is E-rated. A close one may be Cooper Discoverers but I have zero experience with them. Maybe give the Kuhmos a second chance?


Title: Re: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: Fuzzy88 on December 31, 2017, 09:10:42 AM
Are you talking about the Kumho Road Venture series? I have them in my DD (08 Silverado), not my Jeep, but they’ve held up extremely well for the price. I think my AT51s were around $145/tire, they’re quiet, 10-ply, and have done the job in muddy/sticky situations. Are you sure it wasn’t just a poor rotation schedule or inflation level by the PO that led to cupping?

Both the AT and MT Road Venture line from Kumho are worth a look. They’re solid tires and you won’t find a cheaper 10-ply. Otherwise I don’t know if you’ll be able to find a tire around that price range that isn’t made by some junky brand like Milestar or Pathfinder, and is E-rated. A close one may be Cooper Discoverers but I have zero experience with them. Maybe give the Kuhmos a second chance?
Good point. Thanks for the feedback.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: dave2002ti on December 31, 2017, 09:44:03 AM
Might also want to take a look at Toyo and their secondary brand Nitto.

Also remember its your out the door price mounted on your wheels and on your Jeep price with taxes and disposal fees if any.

Tire Rack and others similar places sound great until you see the what it costs to drive on down the road.

I used the same local tire dealer for 30+ years because his prices beat Tire Rack's  and the competition by $50 to $100 bucks or more.  Yeah I have spent well over $10K there on tires over the years and my bro over $5k.

Also I trust his advice and he is one of the few tire places in the country that can balance on the car. Service can't be beat.

In most cases you get what you pay for in a tire doesn't matter if its for your commuter, your track day car, your tractor, your pick up, or your Jeep. Only exception to this is some Badyear sorry Goodyear tires that are expensive but suck. How much is your life worth? 

Dave Apker

 


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: sirjames186 on December 31, 2017, 11:24:40 AM
https://expeditionportal.com/where-the-rubber-meets-the-road/

I've seen a couple folks get the Cooper discoverer at3 based off this review and they like them. I would have done the same but they didn't make it in a 33x10.5 so I went ko2.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: highlandercj-7 on January 01, 2018, 11:02:50 AM
Cooper is the working mans tire company. Excellent performance, quality, reliability and easier on your wallet. They produce several off brand tires. Matercraft, the Duck Dynasty line, etc etc.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: dan58 on January 04, 2018, 04:47:04 PM
Cooper also makes Mickey Thompson and Dick Cepek.  That said, Cepek Trail Country all terrain is a GREAT tire.  I fun the fun country on my DD Sierra and have 35K miles on it with more than half tread left.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: cmason164 on January 09, 2018, 07:49:03 AM
Might also want to take a look at Toyo and their secondary brand Nitto.

Also remember its your out the door price mounted on your wheels and on your Jeep price with taxes and disposal fees if any.

Tire Rack and others similar places sound great until you see the what it costs to drive on down the road.

I used the same local tire dealer for 30+ years because his prices beat Tire Rack's  and the competition by $50 to $100 bucks or more.  Yeah I have spent well over $10K there on tires over the years and my bro over $5k.

Also I trust his advice and he is one of the few tire places in the country that can balance on the car. Service can't be beat.

In most cases you get what you pay for in a tire doesn't matter if its for your commuter, your track day car, your tractor, your pick up, or your Jeep. Only exception to this is some Badyear sorry Goodyear tires that are expensive but suck. How much is your life worth?  

Dave Apker

 

Sorry to hijack, but is this guy local Dave? I need to get some tires balanced.

I have run the ko2 and they are everything people say they are.  That being said, I just bought a set of cooper discovery stt pro, not an AT, but the coopers are getting great reviews.



Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: overhead on January 09, 2018, 11:31:40 AM
Dad just got the new falken wildpeak at3w and is in love with em. 5=33x12.5x15 mounted balanced and old tires disposed of was around 1k


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: Burnzy on January 09, 2018, 11:42:37 AM
Dad just got the new falken wildpeak at3w and is in love with em. 5=33x12.5x15 mounted balanced and old tires disposed of was around 1k
Good to hear. I’ve been looking at those for my Xterra. They seem like a great tire and for some reason are on the lower end of the price spectrum.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: overhead on January 09, 2018, 11:59:31 AM
Dad just got the new falken wildpeak at3w and is in love with em. 5=33x12.5x15 mounted balanced and old tires disposed of was around 1k
Good to hear. I’ve been looking at those for my Xterra. They seem like a great tire and for some reason are on the lower end of the price spectrum.

why go up against the ko2 when you don't have to? if i can sell 5 for every 4 I still make more money.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: z4iken on January 09, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
I had KO2s and loved the, but they were not "affordable"...they were pricier than every comparable-sized tire except for the Duratrac (my trail grapplers were significantly cheaper).

If you really want a good budget tire, JCROffroad wheels the Kanati Trail Hog tires pretty hard on a lot of their builds. They're made in...Malaysia (I think?) and are a Duratrac knock off, but are way more affordably priced than BFG, Goodyear, Nitto, Falken, etc.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: sirjames186 on January 09, 2018, 01:31:37 PM
Since everyone is talking about KO2s, if you shop around and/or wait for a deal they aren't that expensive.  I got 5 33x10.5x15 with wheels, mounted, balanced and shipped for $1,153 this summer.  Add to that I got a $50 gift card to 4wd, and a $50 rebate from BFG, that's pretty darn affordable in my book.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: overhead on January 09, 2018, 01:47:24 PM
to be fair. I  LOVE LOVE LOVE my ko2. 2wd has gotten me out of stuff that 4wd was struggaling in last winter. especially in mud muck snow and more.

towing they're just a dream come true.

that being said. in my size and load range for the truck it was almost $1700


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: Burnzy on January 09, 2018, 02:00:01 PM
I have KO’s know just feel like trying something new. Probably will go with the Falkens


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: z4iken on January 09, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
I have KO’s know just feel like trying something new. Probably will go with the Falkens

I've heard (having only been a KO2 owner, not the original KO) that there's a big difference. I know Other_Erik has the original KO on his wife's JKU and it was very different from the KO2s I was running


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: overhead on January 09, 2018, 04:04:21 PM
I have KO’s know just feel like trying something new. Probably will go with the Falkens

I've heard (having only been a KO2 owner, not the original KO) that there's a big difference. I know Other_Erik has the original KO on his wife's JKU and it was very different from the KO2s I was running

it's kinda like saying I have an 80s f150. I'll switch to a silverado vs the new diesel they announced this week.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: Gr8Dain on January 09, 2018, 04:18:13 PM
I am one of those that have been driving the original ko and went to the ko2 this summer. Have always loved them. The ko2s are no longer exception. I was very please having them when wheeling in TN in June. Never got stuck. And no lockers. I was running with guys on 35s the whole time and held my own. Impressed with the tires


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: sticksout on January 10, 2018, 08:35:35 AM
I'm still running original KOs that I bought used off a member years ago. I'm keeping an eye out now for a good deal (and maybe a cheaper/comparable tire) as mine are getting near Inspection failure. If I don't find anything by the time I need them I'll probably go with KO2s from Costco since their tires include free tire repair and rotation for the life of the tires.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: AutoTraker on January 10, 2018, 09:56:55 AM
The KO was the gold standard that everyone copied for their all terrain tire.
The biggest problem with the KO was the lack of sidewall strength, fast on-road wear and chunking of the tread when used off-road.
Much of the competition have taken the KO design and improved upon it making the KO design fall way behind.
The new KO2 is a leapt forward in all terrain tires again and is the new gold standard for all terrain tires.
Basically they are 20% stronger than the KO using the same compounds and casing as the KR off-road racing tire with a new tread design.  
After reading all the reviews when they first appeared on the market, I couldn't wait to put a set on my RAM. They have lived up to the media hype.
I got mine from TireRack and used it as a opportunity to go one side bigger and replaced the wheels too.
I think it came out to about $1800 for 5 tires/wheels, mounted, balance, and shipped to the door.
This past snowstorm where the roads turned to ice the TJ with its MTZ was slipping and sliding where the RAM with its KO2 didn't even know the road wasn't dry.
And in the mud, sand, and soft soil I've had the truck in they have done fantastic.    
I don't think I'd consider them for a dedicated off-road vehicle but for a mixed use AT tire, they have exceeded all my expectations.
I will not even hesitate to put them on my TJ which sees very little off-road use when next it needs tires.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: sticksout on January 11, 2018, 08:19:01 AM
I did some more checking and if you are a Costco member they are running a promo on BFG tires till 1/28. I priced out a set of four 33x12.5R15 KO2s and they came out to $777.96 plus $15/tire for installation  = $837.96.

There is also a $2.99 fee per tire if you have the TPMS system.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: Gr8Dain on January 11, 2018, 09:22:25 AM
I did some more checking and if you are a Costco member they are running a promo on BFG tires till 1/28. I priced out a set of four 33x12.5R15 KOs and they came out to $777.96 plus $15/tire for installation  = $837.96.

There is also a $2.99 fee per tire if you have the TPMS system.

That does seem like a very good price.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: sticksout on January 12, 2018, 08:02:56 AM
I did some more checking and if you are a Costco member they are running a promo on BFG tires till 1/28. I priced out a set of four 33x12.5R15 KOs and they came out to $777.96 plus $15/tire for installation  = $837.96.

There is also a $2.99 fee per tire if you have the TPMS system.

That does seem like a very good price.

Yeah, also updated my original post as they are KO2s at that price.

I may get them and put them on my parent's patio w/a tarp until I'm ready to install....my inspection will be due in July.


Title: Re: Affordable All Terrain Tires
Post by: Phoenix45 on February 07, 2018, 10:10:27 AM
Throwing in my two cents...

I took a gamble a few years back on Kenda Klever KR29.  These are the M/T version that you can get ~$200/tire for the 35/12.5R17, they also make an A/T for a few dollars less.  I knew the Kenda brand for bicycle tires, but not for auto tires, but I did my research and had some degree of confidence in them. The only negatives I could find were that they could be difficult to balance, but that is normal for a lot of M/T tires.  Curry's had no trouble balancing them for me though.

Close to 40k miles later they are still running strong and have at least 1/4 of the original tread left.  They get a good bite in the mud but are (relatively) quiet not too obnoxious on the street.  I did recently start to get some slight cupping in the fronts a few months ago, but I figure that is due to my alignment being a bit off and not rotating them for too long. 

They have lasted longer than both the OEM Wranglers and BFG A/Ts (both of those lasted ~30k) so I will definitely get another set when these finally run out.