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Title: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: I6CJ7 on January 27, 2018, 01:05:57 PM
Anyone else think the new inspection sticker location on the driverside is awful?  With a CJ windshield it blocks alot of your view, since our windshields are near vertical and  so damn small... This is ridiculous.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: z4iken on January 27, 2018, 01:08:47 PM
Anyone else think the new inspection sticker location on the driverside is awful?  With a CJ windshield it blocks alot of your view, since our windshields are near vertical and  so damn small... This is ridiculous.

I don't know why they couldn't put it in the passenger side in the same location -- I guess they want you to be able to see it from the driver's seat so you remember?


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: unl1mtd on January 27, 2018, 01:16:21 PM
Pics?


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Gr8Dain on January 27, 2018, 01:20:34 PM
They moved it?  When?  I just failed in December and it was put in the center like the old one that got removed


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: smileyT on January 27, 2018, 01:56:40 PM
New code started this year. St police wanted it for years and sensors in the newer cars are usually at center of the dash.


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Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: I6CJ7 on January 27, 2018, 03:08:53 PM
Cops like to sit at intersections on the median, easier to see on the driverside,  Is my guess. My CJ's inspection had been dead for 4 years lol. I don't have time for that crap. But now that it's no longer  being placed in the middle its going to be real obvious. I'm going to ask if they'll put it in the middle or move it myself. It will block so much of my view... New vehicles windshields are so big and sloped it doesn't block anything on them down low.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Search on January 27, 2018, 07:09:13 PM
Nothing to do with cops. A lot of the newer sensors for vehicles with crash avoidance are in the middle and the old sticker location interferes with that. I heard that there was a crash where the parties involved sued the state claiming that the inspection sticker was a contributing factor (donít have a source though), and this new location is a knee jerk reaction based on that suit (completely believable given the bureaucratic mentality).


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: wbsjp on January 27, 2018, 07:20:15 PM
Here,s one.... if you own a ford,of any type ,and it has the assembly plant sticker on the rt,lower part of the windshield..thats ok and cannot be removed during inspection. All other stickers,fast passes ect,but not DoD passes are to be removed  and placed in the area of the rear view mirror but not below the A1 line......BS in my book....


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: highlandercj-7 on January 27, 2018, 08:28:06 PM
It belongs on the left side down low, I despise the VA in the middle of the view location. It's very irritating.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: I6CJ7 on January 27, 2018, 10:13:51 PM
I think it should go up top off on the passenger side, anywhere along the bottom blocks your view. Especially since you look through the edge of the windshield to see the passenger mirror   :p


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Dynamic on January 27, 2018, 10:15:39 PM
I grew up i  PA where it has been bottom left moving to VA i thought bottom middle was dumb.  This change wont effect me at all lol

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Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Zedi on January 29, 2018, 09:14:41 AM
Cops like to sit at intersections on the median, easier to see on the driverside,  Is my guess. My CJ's inspection had been dead for 4 years lol. I don't have time for that crap. But now that it's no longer  being placed in the middle its going to be real obvious. I'm going to ask if they'll put it in the middle or move it myself. It will block so much of my view... New vehicles windshields are so big and sloped it doesn't block anything on them down low.
If I had a CJ I would get vintage tags for it. No inspection, $50.00 for permanent license.  Some downside as to usage such as 240 mile range, and cannot be a DD, but it is the way to go.  I am not sure if other states would even care if you were over your miles, but the VA penalty is that you lose the Antique tag and have to go to a regular tag, which is where you are now, so I see no problems.

As for the Inspection Sticker,  I grew up in PA also, and lived in WV for a time, and they were both there.  I think most that require a sticker are there.   


Title: Re: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: cmason164 on January 29, 2018, 04:28:39 PM
Antique tags are the way to go!


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Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Gr8Dain on January 29, 2018, 05:06:10 PM
Antique tags are the way to go!


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Not if you DD your old stuff like I do. Same with my son. I considered it recently for his 67 impala, but decided against taking the risk.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RattleTrap55 on January 29, 2018, 05:18:21 PM
Not to start a "Food Fight" - my understanding is that the 250 miles from your home address limit only applies to pleasure drives. There is no distance limit on club events and car shows... Let's keep those club events and car shows coming. :boink

Garner


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Gr8Dain on January 29, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
Not to start a "Food Fight" - my understanding is that the 250 miles from your home address limit only applies to pleasure drives. There is no distance limit on club events and car shows... Let's keep those club events and car shows coming. :boink

Garner

I need a car show at my work office every weekday!


Title: Re: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: cmason164 on January 29, 2018, 07:25:23 PM
there's always this caveat to fall back on

"Testing its operation, obtaining repairs or maintenance"

Every drive is a test drive in mine...



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Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RattleTrap55 on January 29, 2018, 08:16:13 PM
there's always this caveat to fall back on

"Testing its operation, obtaining repairs or maintenance"

Every drive is a test drive in mine...

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Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Warhorse on January 31, 2018, 06:17:53 PM
I don't know where a lot of others here are located but in Prince William County I've seen a lot of older vehicles being driven as daily drivers with antique tags. Around Nokesville (where I am) there are also a lot of people running "Farm Use" tags and it's a pretty safe bet a lot of them aren't being used as farm vehicles on a farm! Apparently PWC police just don't bother to look at them.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: zuke on January 31, 2018, 06:34:26 PM
I don't know where a lot of others here are located but in Prince William County I've seen a lot of older vehicles being driven as daily drivers with antique tags. Around Nokesville (where I am) there are also a lot of people running "Farm Use" tags and it's a pretty safe bet a lot of them aren't being used as farm vehicles on a farm! Apparently PWC police just don't bother to look at them.

The real issue with running that way isn't getting a ticket... The ticket is a pretty small fine. The issue in both cases is in the event of an accident, the insurance companies will dig in and find out if you were in violation of the law, and will refuse to pay when they find out you were....


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Warhorse on February 01, 2018, 05:45:07 AM
I don't know where a lot of others here are located but in Prince William County I've seen a lot of older vehicles being driven as daily drivers with antique tags. Around Nokesville (where I am) there are also a lot of people running "Farm Use" tags and it's a pretty safe bet a lot of them aren't being used as farm vehicles on a farm! Apparently PWC police just don't bother to look at them.

The real issue with running that way isn't getting a ticket... The ticket is a pretty small fine. The issue in both cases is in the event of an accident, the insurance companies will dig in and find out if you were in violation of the law, and will refuse to pay when they find out you were....

Oh, I know. I don't do it personally and I don't want to give the impression I was advocating the idea either. There are also a lot of jacked up 4x4 trucks around here that I know for a fact are way over the bumper height limit. It's just that nobody pays any attention to them. I did think about antique tags on my CJ-7 but since it is now my daily driver I decided against the idea even though I only drive maybe 3 miles to work on back roads.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Zedi on February 01, 2018, 09:21:07 AM
For antique tags you are also required to prove you have another vehicle you can use as your DD.  As for insurance, I think that it depends.  They would have to prove that you were using it illegaly. 


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Jeepsnbuses on February 01, 2018, 09:36:00 AM
Not to start a "Food Fight" - my understanding is that the 250 miles from your home address limit only applies to pleasure drives. There is no distance limit on club events and car shows... Let's keep those club events and car shows coming. :boink

Garner

I need a car show at my work office every weekday!

Interesting..I would definitely count a trail ride as a club event or car show.

Fun fact: our big black International Jeep hauler is registered as an antique haha. I have no shame in that either, 100% legal-beagle.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RFH_98TJ on February 01, 2018, 09:42:26 AM
I have a motorcycle with antique tags on it.  It was my father's and I restored it after he passed away from ALS.  Every time I ride is an "occasional pleasure drive".


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: AutoTraker on February 01, 2018, 10:34:37 AM
According to a VA State Trooper I spoke to the plastic farm use tags (Red and white) are not valid plates. Although if it classifies as a farm use vehicle that doesn't need registration, the plastic tags qualify the same as writing "Farm Use" somewhere on the vehicle. The plastic Farm Use tags have restrictions on where you can go and when.  https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/#farm_unregistered.asp
You can register a farm use vehicle with DMV and have a DMV issued farm use tag. https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/#farm_registration.asp
Antique tags also do have restrictions. Make sure you know them before getting Antique tags. https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/antique.html
I've actually had a couple run-ins with local cops about both the farm use and antique tags. Local cops don't seem to know the regulations so you should familiarize yourself with them in case you get stopped.

As to inspection sticker location. Moving it is horrible. On some vehicles it doesn't really matter but for others is greatly restricts the drivers view. So for a few cars that have collision avoidance devices that peer out the center of the windshield, other vehicles that don't have that device have to have their vision restricted. They couldn't have just moved it for those few vehicles that have those devices. I'm just glad my CJ doesn't need inspection. For the TJ, it'll be just plain in the way.


 


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: dave2002ti on February 01, 2018, 04:43:35 PM
Farm tags see them all the time in Fauquier County.  Not that often if PWC and never in Fairfax County and I live in Clifton.

Would work great if you were into brewing beer or operated a distillery.

Probaly wouldn't be a good idea to drive from Upperville to Tysons Corner in a vehicle with Farm Use tags.

Just remember its all abouttax revenue and ahs very little to do about having safe vehicles on the road.

Can't wait to see a self driving "Farm Use" vehicle.

Dave Apker


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Jeepsnbuses on February 01, 2018, 06:25:44 PM
I was actually driving along 7 the other day just west of Tyson's and saw a big BRIGHT yellow Chevy 2500 with farm use tags.  I thought for a minute it might be government, but there's no way a local government would put FARM USE tags on a truck...right?


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: mlm_cherokeekl on February 01, 2018, 08:11:10 PM
This all makes me miss how Georgia is so simple with all of this. When your vehicle came up for re-registration every year, you didn't have to get it inspected (which was just an emissions test) until it was 5 years old. And as long as your vehicle was manufactured after 2012, you didn't have to pay the advelorum tax. So you paid $40 to re-register your vehicle and they just gave you a sticker that was a certain color for that year. You stuck that on your single license plate, on the rear, and you were good for the whole year.

Oh, the good old days. haha


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RattleTrap55 on February 02, 2018, 07:14:14 AM
I have a motorcycle with antique tags on it.  It was my father's and I restored it after he passed away from ALS.  Every time I ride is an "occasional pleasure drive".

The word "Special" needs to be inserted in your quotes. I gotta ask, what kind of bike is it?

 


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RFH_98TJ on February 02, 2018, 08:15:45 AM
It's an '87 Kawasaki Concours.  They're basically bullet-proof 1000cc Ninjas with shaft drive, larger faring, and hard luggage.  Model wise they are ZG1000A2.  The latest platform is from the ZX1400 and are truly monsters.  There is a pretty big cult following for the Concours series if you look them up.  We both bought one new in '88.  Mine was red pearl his was silver.  They were about 150 units apart on the assembly line in Nebraska.  I 've had many bikes since then but never got rid of that one because we used them to go touring on.  I sold mine after he passed and did a complete disassembly and rebuild on his and added some performance parts that I know he wouldn't approve of like cams and stick coils.  I also painted it black.  I do track days with it too!


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Zedi on February 02, 2018, 08:49:24 AM
It's an '87 Kawasaki Concours.  They're basically bullet-proof 1000cc Ninjas with shaft drive, larger faring, and hard luggage.  Model wise they are ZG1000A2.  The latest platform is from the ZX1400 and are truly monsters.  There is a pretty big cult following for the Concours series if you look them up.  We both bought one new in '88.  Mine was red pearl his was silver.  They were about 150 units apart on the assembly line in Nebraska.  I 've had many bikes since then but never got rid of that one because we used them to go touring on.  I sold mine after he passed and did a complete disassembly and rebuild on his and added some performance parts that I know he wouldn't approve of like cams and stick coils.  I also painted it black.  I do track days with it too!
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I have two bags a repair manual and a few other small parts that are taking up room in my garage that I will give you if you are interested. Just give me a yell

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Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RFH_98TJ on February 02, 2018, 08:52:36 AM
Sure!  Maybe next meeting or a club ride coming up.  I live and Lorton and work for PWC, maybe we cross paths?


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RattleTrap55 on February 02, 2018, 09:25:55 AM
RFH,

I am aware of the Kawasaki Concours - nice bike. They were the first of the "gentleman" bikes that you could ride for hours and still have feeling in your body when you stepped off.

I raced Kawasaki's in the 70's. I built a dragster out of an H2 750 Kawasaki that was a brute capable of running the standing 1/4 mile in the high 10's. That was about all the H2 was good for - you could not stop it or turn it, but it was a straight line rocket. During that same time I raced motocross & hare scrambles on a KX250. I eventually tired of the beatings that came with racing and bouncing off the ground and gave up bikes.

Anyway, great tribute to your father.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Zedi on February 02, 2018, 09:34:52 AM
Sure!  Maybe next meeting or a club ride coming up.  I live and Lorton and work for PWC, maybe we cross paths?
I live in Caroline County.  Do property taxes for Dominion Energy.  I know we use PWC for some stuff, but mostly see Delloitte people around here.
Sounds good, I will ping you next time we will be at a function.  Wife is currently down with ankle surgery, so we probably won't be going anywhere until after April.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: z4iken on February 02, 2018, 10:18:10 AM
Sure!  Maybe next meeting or a club ride coming up.  I live and Lorton and work for PWC, maybe we cross paths?
I live in Caroline County.  Do property taxes for Dominion Energy.  I know we use PWC for some stuff, but mostly see Delloitte people around here.
Sounds good, I will ping you next time we will be at a function.  Wife is currently down with ankle surgery, so we probably won't be going anywhere until after April.


Although I also think PricewaterhouseCoopers when I see PWC, I'm pretty sure he meant Prince William County...  :rotfl


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RFH_98TJ on February 02, 2018, 10:28:15 AM
Yes - and not personal water craft either.

When I came to the County (PW) I had previously worked for ADC The Map People (which was Alexandria Drafting Company) which was also just ADC.  At the County orientation the speakers keep saying that certain people in the meeting were transferring from ADC also and that there were some people going to work for ADC.  I had never seen these people in the 20 years I worked there and couldn't figure out what they were talking about.  Much less the company was getting ready to go under and why would anyone be starting their employment there.  How was this even related to the County?

After about an hour I realized they meant Adult Detention Center.  That gave me another reason why I left my previous employer  :pat


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Zedi on February 02, 2018, 11:30:16 AM
Yes - and not personal water craft either.

When I came to the County (PW) I had previously worked for ADC The Map People (which was Alexandria Drafting Company) which was also just ADC.  At the County orientation the speakers keep saying that certain people in the meeting were transferring from ADC also and that there were some people going to work for ADC.  I had never seen these people in the 20 years I worked there and couldn't figure out what they were talking about.  Much less the company was getting ready to go under and why would anyone be starting their employment there.  How was this even related to the County?

After about an hour I realized they meant Adult Detention Center.  That gave me another reason why I left my previous employer  :pat

OOPs..  What can I say, I'm one of those darn Yankee transplants Grew up in Johnstown PA.

I will be coming north for a couple of things tomorrow, and can drop the bags off if you want.  Just need an address if it is OK.  Otherwise we can catch up later.


(Sorry to the OP for hijacking the thread)

btb I am the founding member of the AAAAAAAAA

 American Association Against the Arbitrary Abuse of Acronyms And Associated Abbreviations


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RFH_98TJ on February 02, 2018, 11:40:53 AM
PM sent.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: rocknrubi04 on February 03, 2018, 04:25:06 PM
Thats been WV location forever


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: AngryEchoSix on February 05, 2018, 12:36:18 AM
My new JK has the inspection sticker in the lower left, and it doesn't even phase me...every other stat I've lived in has had the sticker in the lower left....I don't even notice it anymore....


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: UnnamedSource on February 05, 2018, 03:49:18 PM
Itís funny, itís illegal to have anything in your field of vision... except an inspection sticker if the state puts it there.  I agree with post #2, same location, passenger side....


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Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: ///BHRpowered on February 13, 2018, 02:35:37 AM
Terrible idea.

It blocks your view a bit, plus they (use to) give out tickets for having GPS in center and made you put it in corner so now it won't stick, er maybe a cell phone holder in 2018. This business about blocking sensors is pure garbage, sensors in center are for interior functions, sensors for exterior functions like say crash avoidance are outside.

You know what it does affect? vehicles with heads up displays.

Vehicles in PW county if you have a landfill sticker

If they wanted to move it then it should have gone to passenger side. Or not at all, just make it digital, they got rid of personal property decals but still charge the same fee....oh wait, then cops couldn't sit on side of road and extort even more money from you by quickly looking at a sticker.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: sirjames186 on February 13, 2018, 10:08:37 AM
If they wanted to move it then it should have gone to passenger side. Or not at all, just make it digital, they got rid of personal property decals but still charge the same fee....oh wait, then cops couldn't sit on side of road and extort even more money from you by quickly looking at a sticker.

I think that's the kicker.  Driver side corner is way easier for a cop to glance at it when he pulled you over for a faulty turn signal.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Warhorse on February 13, 2018, 05:38:37 PM

Vehicles in PW county if you have a landfill sticker


I didn't even think about that. Well that will mess up my "weekend trash truck".


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RFH_98TJ on February 14, 2018, 08:44:20 AM
My CB is jammed into that corner.  I'll need to unmount it so the sticker can be placed.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Dropkick on February 14, 2018, 09:54:46 AM
Growing up in NY it's always been driver side lower corner. Got to Virginia and thought it was weird and in the way in the center. Guess it's what you're used to. 


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Other_Erik on February 14, 2018, 12:26:17 PM
Just got the wife's JKU inspected.  Safety sticker in the middle of the field of vision is annoying and distracting.  Would make far more sense to go to an upper corner or passenger side of windshield.  What's next, tax sticker above the inspection?  Maybe a mandatory banner that extends below the AS1 line?   :? :td


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: RattleTrap55 on February 14, 2018, 07:22:31 PM
I have the new inspection sticker in the lower left corner of the front window of my daily driver - It blocks my view of pedestrians entering the cross walk from the left. This is actually quite nice as i always hated seeing that look on their face just before I bumped them....  :eek


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: ///BHRpowered on February 20, 2018, 02:25:53 AM
Growing up in NY it's always been driver side lower corner. Got to Virginia and thought it was weird and in the way in the center. Guess it's what you're used to. 

The NY style has bothered me for YEARS. Two of my vehicles are registered in NY and have the dual sticker on drivers side.

Anyone in PW county w/ a landfill decal - the inspectors won't move it, so they just put the decal further over. Somewhere some cop would give you a ticket for this and say its not correctly placed.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: Gr8Dain on February 20, 2018, 06:14:54 AM
Alex came over on Saturday and I got to see the placement on his windshield. It sucked. It was not as low as I would like since it would have the windshield markings visible over the sticker. And if the inset it, you would not be able to see the VIN. So it was a few inches higher against the left edge. That is gonna suck.


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: z4iken on February 20, 2018, 10:44:34 AM
Alex came over on Saturday and I got to see the placement on his windshield. It sucked. It was not as low as I would like since it would have the windshield markings visible over the sticker. And if the inset it, you would not be able to see the VIN. So it was a few inches higher against the left edge. That is gonna suck.

I think the shop that did mine also hated me and decided to put it 2" higher up than it really needed to be...


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: zuke on February 20, 2018, 10:59:14 AM
Yeah got one in the new location on My Subaru in January, They put it a good 6 inches from the bottom edge of my windshield to allow for the VIN and the safety/manufacturing etchings in the glass. It really doesn't affect forward vision at all on a subaru impreza, but  on an upright windshield like a wrangler of any generation, that's gonna be a major obstruction...


Title: Re: The terrible new inspection sticker location
Post by: HAWAIICJ on February 21, 2018, 07:27:26 AM
Top of the sticker is suppose to be no higher than 4" above the bottom of the w/s or top of dash and 1" from the left to the w/s side.

I just stick them over the glass mfg markings, as long as the vin and sticker numbers are visible and can be read.