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Title: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on March 11, 2018, 07:57:45 PM
Anyone running a TJ with 31s on a 2 inch lift?  I can't find exactly what I am looking for on google photos. 

If anyone is, can they post a pic or two?  Basically, I am trying to decide if they 31s would look too small for the lift.

Thanks


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: unleashd on March 11, 2018, 08:15:38 PM
Not sure if this helps. I just got my TJ yesterday. It came with 31x10.5x15 wheels/tires. There is no body lift. Here's a picture for reference.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Jeep/i-DHVR7qV/0/02692845/M/1-M.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Jeep/i-zZdzjFw/0/505facfb/M/2-M.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Jeep/i-8GtjKHB/0/7b9b7a34/M/6-M.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Search on March 11, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
You can fit 31x10.5r15 on the stock Canyon style rims workhout any lift. I had that size BFG ATs on my LJ before I lifted it with no issues.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Jammer on March 12, 2018, 08:21:26 AM
I've seen pics of 3" lift before which we are planning to do with ours.  We are running 31s on stock right now:

(https://i.imgur.com/2ioW22p.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Jammer on March 12, 2018, 08:54:01 AM
just found this guy...31s on a 2"

https://norfolk.craigslist.org/cto/d/97-jeep-wrangler-4x4/6492244340.html (https://norfolk.craigslist.org/cto/d/97-jeep-wrangler-4x4/6492244340.html)



Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: highlandercj-7 on March 12, 2018, 08:57:28 AM
It looks good. My Daughters TJ has 31's on the factory Gambler wheels and a 2-2.5" Pro-Comp coil springs lift. Her's beside unleashd's.

(https://i.imgur.com/xzOM1rp.jpg)(https://photos.smugmug.com/Jeep/i-zZdzjFw/0/505facfb/M/2-M.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Go Caps Go on March 12, 2018, 10:02:32 AM
Bah. I wish I could figure out this posting picture thing on this website . . .

I have three photos of my 2005 Rubicon, all in same spot all from same angle.  First has 31s with a new 2 inch OME lift just finished.  (Looks a little odd) Second has same car with Barricade flares to increase fender clearance (looks really odd, like a roller skate).  Third has same with 33s installed (ah, much better).  I think I could easily fit 35s, but then would worry about gearing, stopping with such heavy tires, general wear and tear due to more etc. 

if someone wants to shoot me an email, i can send them over.  Alternatively, I can post them on the NOVA Jeepers Facebook page. 

Ken
Go Caps Go


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Gr8Dain on March 12, 2018, 11:09:26 AM
Bah. I wish I could figure out this posting picture thing on this website . . .

I have three photos of my 2005 Rubicon, all in same spot all from same angle.  First has 31s with a new 2 inch OME lift just finished.  (Looks a little odd) Second has same car with Barricade flares to increase fender clearance (looks really odd, like a roller skate).  Third has same with 33s installed (ah, much better).  I think I could easily fit 35s, but then would worry about gearing, stopping with such heavy tires, general wear and tear due to more etc. 

if someone wants to shoot me an email, i can send them over.  Alternatively, I can post them on the NOVA Jeepers Facebook page. 

Ken
Go Caps Go

Send them to me and I will post them.


Title: Anyone Running....
Post by: Gr8Dain on March 12, 2018, 12:21:20 PM
Kenís pics


OME 2Ē lift with 31s
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180312/e6b1e3550ed0efe53016541b5f0a0ea0.jpg)

New fender flares
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180312/72de686f3c1114e6db0349a1ee0a4b19.jpg)

With 33s
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180312/d26811852295e49d8073e82c9cc980ac.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: DamienD on March 12, 2018, 06:08:19 PM
I've got 35's with no lift 😀


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on March 12, 2018, 06:19:38 PM
All,

Thanks for the pics.  I was trying to determine is 31s would look too small on a 2 inch lift and I am afraid they will on my Jeep.

Am I wrong?  Do you guys think they look ok on a 2 inch lift?


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: sticksout on March 12, 2018, 07:12:59 PM
Here's my 2001

Top photo: 31x10.5R15 on the original Canyon wheels with a single 1" Budget Boost puck in rear (whole other story)
Bottom photo: 33x12.5R15 on Pro Comp D-wheels with a single 1" Budget Boost puck in rear
(https://i.imgur.com/RiD0e4i.jpg)

Left pic: 33x12.5R15 on Pro Comp D-wheels with a single 1" Budget Boost puck in rear
Right pic: 33x12.5R15 on Pro Comp D-wheels with a 3.25" Zone suspension lift
(https://i.imgur.com/oxBSmrx.jpg)


Title: Re: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: sirjames186 on March 12, 2018, 07:48:31 PM
All,

Thanks for the pics.  I was trying to determine is 31s would look too small on a 2 inch lift and I am afraid they will on my Jeep.

Am I wrong?  Do you guys think they look ok on a 2 inch lift?
I think it looks OK, I wouldn't go any higher, and I'd be on the lookout for new tires when I could afford them.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: DamienD on March 13, 2018, 06:07:15 AM
31's will fit on 2" lift. if you like the look that's all that matters. I think a jeep looks stupid on small tires but that's me


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: unl1mtd on March 13, 2018, 06:49:33 AM
31s and 2Ē lift works. I ran that for a while in my old LJ. Worst part about that is the tire size and the desire to move up. For what itís worth it was a nice setup that didnít require a ton of work and allowed for good performance in the woods. But if you get into wheeling rocks the 31s and 2Ē lift will be a waste of money as you will want to go higher.

All that said if I had to do it again I would stay on a smaller tire size and have less crap to worry about. :lol


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: sirjames186 on March 13, 2018, 08:03:55 AM
Not to mention you can get away with 31s and 3.73 gears.  If you got up to 33s, you'll want to regear.  I've been running 33s on 3.73 since July and I'm ready to get my power (and mpg) back.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Go Caps Go on March 13, 2018, 11:18:48 AM
I am very glad you are asking these questions and looking for pictures.  Build it once, build it right and use quality parts.  If you will never go higher than 33s, than a 2" lift is fine.  Last thing you want to do is replace the parts you just replaced because you were indecisive. 

Personally I do not think 31s look bad on a TJ with a small lift.  But I guarantee, if you start offroading you will want to upgrade to 33s as it makes a significant difference.  Other than regearing which is optional, not much else will need to change.  I personally think that the sweet spot for TJs is running 33s, as it is still a really capable rig.  Short wheelbase, not too high for daily driving, and well balanced.

With the 2" OME lift and a 1.25' body lift to accommodate a tummy tuck, on 33s, I can run blues/blacks at Rousch all day long and keep up with the JKs on 35s.  The 4:1 transfer case helps a lot (a whole lot), but I still think I could hang with a 2:1. 

No matter what anyone tells you, at the end of the day, the biggest determining factor of what trails you can run successfully and safely is in the driver's seat, not any part, lift or wheel size. 

Ken
Go Caps Go


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on March 13, 2018, 07:42:37 PM
I am very glad you are asking these questions and looking for pictures.  Build it once, build it right and use quality parts.  If you will never go higher than 33s, than a 2" lift is fine.  Last thing you want to do is replace the parts you just replaced because you were indecisive. 

Personally I do not think 31s look bad on a TJ with a small lift.  But I guarantee, if you start offroading you will want to upgrade to 33s as it makes a significant difference.  Other than regearing which is optional, not much else will need to change.  I personally think that the sweet spot for TJs is running 33s, as it is still a really capable rig.  Short wheelbase, not too high for daily driving, and well balanced.

With the 2" OME lift and a 1.25' body lift to accommodate a tummy tuck, on 33s, I can run blues/blacks at Rousch all day long and keep up with the JKs on 35s.  The 4:1 transfer case helps a lot (a whole lot), but I still think I could hang with a 2:1. 

No matter what anyone tells you, at the end of the day, the biggest determining factor of what trails you can run successfully and safely is in the driver's seat, not any part, lift or wheel size. 

Ken
Go Caps Go

Thanks for all the help everyone.

The bottom line is I currently am running stock suspension.  I also currently run 31s.  I had to buy new tires back in September with no intention of lifting the Jeep.  Lately, things have changed and I could put a lift on right now.  I always intended on putting either a 2 or 3 inch lift.  So I started thinking, which we all know can be dangerous, and thought I could go ahead and put a 2 inch lift on now and run 31s until I need new tires and go up to 32s or 33s.  So I was trying to determine if it would look goofy or not.  I know if I went with the 3 inch it would look really strange.

Like you said above, I am looking into doing all the research because I want to make a good decision in the end so I don't regret it and have to go back later.

Any additional input anyone has is greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: sirjames186 on March 13, 2018, 08:03:26 PM
I know a lot of tj lifts (mine included) will do a 2 inch suspension lift, coupled with a 1 inch body lift. If you were to order a kit like that now, install the suspension and run the 31s until you're ready to upgrade tires, then install the body lift you would be in a great place.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: TrailBird on March 13, 2018, 08:07:54 PM

No matter what anyone tells you, at the end of the day, the biggest determining factor of what trails you can run successfully and safely is in the driver's seat, not any part, lift or wheel size.  

Ken
Go Caps Go

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Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: packinnova on March 19, 2018, 02:35:11 PM
I'm a little late to this one but this is a 97 TJ with an OME lift and 31's:

(https://i.imgur.com/I81F6OC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qFmFjDm.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on March 19, 2018, 05:12:30 PM
That looks pretty good. Which kit do you have. How do you like it. Do you wish you had igger tires.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: packinnova on March 20, 2018, 03:12:09 PM
It gets the job done.  It's the Old Man Emu 2.5" kit for the TJ.  I put it in in a saturday afternoon.  At the time I wondered if I should have gone larger, but with only the 2.5 it was kinda a no brainer to leave it be.  I've since acquired another 97 TJ with the I6 and running a 6" with 35's on it now.  Still run both jeeps. 

The OME and 31's ran fine and frankly the extra clearance in the wells from not over-stuffing too big a tire is good.  Leaves you more room for maneuvering.  Still gets around, but it's only a part-time/every once in a blue moon wheeler so take that for what it is.  There was a significant drop in "oomph" with the increase in tire size plus that one has the 2.5 in it, but that was mostly fixed with re-gearing in the diffs.  I actually have BFG TA/KO2's in 32" on it now.

As I'm constantly discovering there's always upsides and downsides to bigger tires...  Try getting a 4'+/- slightly inebriated woman in a party dress into the passenger side in the rain in a jeep with a 6" lift.  Yeah, it goes about like you'd imagine - like trying to give a cat a bath.:?  I knew I shouldn't have sold the car to pay for a 2nd jeep...

Fast forward a few years and I'll prob be saying the same thing about a 3rd and 4th jeep. ;)


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on March 23, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
It gets the job done.  It's the Old Man Emu 2.5" kit for the TJ.  I put it in in a saturday afternoon.  At the time I wondered if I should have gone larger, but with only the 2.5 it was kinda a no brainer to leave it be.  I've since acquired another 97 TJ with the I6 and running a 6" with 35's on it now.  Still run both jeeps. 

The OME and 31's ran fine and frankly the extra clearance in the wells from not over-stuffing too big a tire is good.  Leaves you more room for maneuvering.  Still gets around, but it's only a part-time/every once in a blue moon wheeler so take that for what it is.  There was a significant drop in "oomph" with the increase in tire size plus that one has the 2.5 in it, but that was mostly fixed with re-gearing in the diffs.  I actually have BFG TA/KO2's in 32" on it now.

As I'm constantly discovering there's always upsides and downsides to bigger tires...  Try getting a 4'+/- slightly inebriated woman in a party dress into the passenger side in the rain in a jeep with a 6" lift.  Yeah, it goes about like you'd imagine - like trying to give a cat a bath.:?  I knew I shouldn't have sold the car to pay for a 2nd jeep...

Fast forward a few years and I'll prob be saying the same thing about a 3rd and 4th jeep. ;)

Do you have any pics directly from either side with the 2 inch lift and 31s?

Thanks


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on April 11, 2018, 07:41:42 PM
Alright guys, I'm still doing some research into this so hopefully I'm not asking too many questions.

Does anyone have the OME 2 inch lift?  If so which shocks do you run?

Also, I was thinking about possibly going with the OME springs but running an adjustable shock.  Does anyone have any experience with adjustable shocks or know if that would be a good setup?

Basically, I think whatever setup I go with, I want to run an adjustable shock.  I know it will be more money.  Is it worth it?


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: sirjames186 on April 11, 2018, 08:38:28 PM
I have the OME 2 inch lift with their shocks. It's awesome.  Call Dirk at dpg offroad, he knows his stuff and will help you out.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Go Caps Go on April 12, 2018, 08:43:05 AM
I too have the OME springs and shocks.  Definitely more expensive, but I do not regret spending the extra money one bit.  Ride, dampening, stability all much better than stock.  I have beat the tar out of it for several years, and still rides well.  Without reservation I would recommend this set up. 

Ken
Go Caps Go


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on April 12, 2018, 06:27:25 PM
Gents,

Thanks for all the input.  This is really helpful.  I have a few more questions.

First, other than the obvious, is there any difference between running a 3 inch suspension lift vs a 2 inch suspension lift with a 1.25 body lift?  Performace on/off road, handling, etc, etc.????

Second, for those running the OME setup, how much lift did you actual get from it?  Also, what would you think of running a different shock with them like and adjustable Fox shock or something?

Last, other than the OME I was considering the JKS setup.  Anyone running that on a TJ?

I'm sure I will have a lot more questions.  I am only in the prelim stages of thinking about this.  I want to build it right the first time.

Thanks


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on April 16, 2018, 07:57:03 AM
Gents,

Thanks for all the input.  This is really helpful.  I have a few more questions.

First, other than the obvious, is there any difference between running a 3 inch suspension lift vs a 2 inch suspension lift with a 1.25 body lift?  Performace on/off road, handling, etc, etc.????

Second, for those running the OME setup, how much lift did you actual get from it?  Also, what would you think of running a different shock with them like and adjustable Fox shock or something?

Last, other than the OME I was considering the JKS setup.  Anyone running that on a TJ?

I'm sure I will have a lot more questions.  I am only in the prelim stages of thinking about this.  I want to build it right the first time.

Thanks

Bump. Anyone have any insight?


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: sirjames186 on April 16, 2018, 08:17:15 AM
Sorry, forgot to come back to this.  In the 2 inch suspension + 1 BL vs 3 suspension, I'm in the 2inch + BL camp.  Does it limit my up travel a bit?  Yes.  But by adding the BL and a MML lift, you are laying the groundwork for a tummy tuck, which gains you that inch back where it counts, underneath the Jeep.  Personally, I'll sacrifice an inch of up travel or an extra inch of clearance (or more depending on which set up you go with) any day.

For the OME setup, I went with the heavy duty springs, which I highly recommend.  Their stock rate springs will barely give you an inch of lift.  With the HD springs I was a little over 2 inches, but not quite to 2.5.  I haven't measured since they were installed a year ago, so they could have settled down to 2 inches now.  If you run any kind of steel bumpers or larger tires, it automatically puts you in the HD weight category anyway.  I also haven't felt a need to run a different shock, the OME ones are really good.  But if you want to run an adjustable, Fox has a great reputation.  For me, it was easier to buy everything as a kit from DPG Offroad and not have to worry about a bunch of different things.  If you go the OME route, seriously just call Dirk and he'll set you up.  I'm sure you've seen his name/this kit floating around if you've been looking into an OME lift, and all I can say is it matches the hype.  I talked with Dirk on the phone multiple times for 30-45min and he answered all my questions.  https://www.dpgoffroad.com/product/old-man-emu-ultimate-tjlj-wrangler-kit/

I don't know anyone running the JKS lift, but again their reputation is very good, so you should be ok.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Go Caps Go on April 16, 2018, 10:52:36 AM
I agree with sirjames.  The body lift allows a tummy tuck, which is huge as you can ditch that "shovel" on the front of your transfer case skid.  It is the low point on the underside, so getting another 2 inches of clearance, especially where you are prone to bottom out on large obstacles, is huge.  It is the one thing that always gets caught when I am wheeling.  I have a tummy tuck kit in my garage ready to go in come spring and nicer weather. 

I also have the OME shocks and HD springs.  Again, could not be happier.  The HD springs are not too stiff at all.  Of course, I have aftermarket bumpers, winch, etc so there is a bit of weight on them.  No need for adjustable springs, so I just bought the full OME kit and the kids and I threw it in over a weekend. 

Ken
Go Caps Go


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: mopar31898 on April 16, 2018, 05:55:00 PM
Sirjames and go caps go,

Thanks for getting back with me.

I have a few things in follow up:

1.  Did you have any issues with driveline vibration, etc. that you get with lift?

2.  If I don't have a winch, armor, bumpers right now, would I have a bad ride with the HD springs?

3.  I am not too familiar with body lifts.  I have the banks turbo setup which involves a little extra piping, plumbing for the intercooler, etc.  Would the BL cause any issues with that stuff.

Lastly, based on your last few posts and my own thoughts, what would you think of this plan:

Right now, I have 31s and a stock lift.  The 31s are brand new.  So I was thinking of getting the OME springs with the BL  and the rest of the kit from the link you provided.  Right now, I would only install the springs so it doesn't look goofy with tiny tires.  I think I would go with an adjustable shock just because I like the idea of the adjustable shock; nothing against the OME shocks.  Then once the 31s are worn out, add the BL and go to 33s.  What would you think of that plan.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: sirjames186 on April 17, 2018, 07:50:34 AM
1. I had no issues with vibrations from the lift, however I also have an LJ so I get some more wiggle room than a TJ.  However, I believe you can still get away with 3 inches of lift before vibrations start on a TJ.  Putting in the motor mount lift helps with this too I believe.  If you do get any vibrations, it's not that hard to put in a t-case drop either, but that does reduce your clearance.  Think of that more as a stop gap until you can get an SYE than a permanent solution.

2. I don't think the ride will be that bad.  Will it be a little stiff?  Probably.  But I'd bet you wouldn't notice since your current stock set up is 12+ years old and probably worn out at this point anyway.  All I have is an aftermarket front bumper, no armor with a factory rear bumper and it's fine.

3. I don't think the body lift will cause any issues with the turbo.  All a body lift does is move the body an inch up off the frame.  If anything it'll be better because you'll have a little more room to work around stuff.

As for your plan, it's not a bad option.  Personally, I'd install the BL first, because once you do the suspension, it will make the tires look small.  However, I ran the full lift I linked to above with 30s for 9 months while I saved up for bigger tires with 0 issues.  I've got a before/after picture I'll upload so you can see the difference.

Also, just in case I haven't said this already, anytime you see me around, feel free to come and look at the Jeep and see all this in person.  I'll be happy to let you drive it around the block and see what you think as well.


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Go Caps Go on April 17, 2018, 07:53:20 AM
I had zero driveline vibration problems, and that is with retaining the stock control arms.  I did not have to change any angles or anything else.

I do not think the HD springs would result in a bad ride on a stock verhicle, but do not know for sure. I installed the bumpers and winch prior to lifting it. Someone must have done the opposite, so perhaps they can weigh in. When i did my reasearch on lifts, i was also concerned about getting the HD shocks and ending up with a rough ride. Found several posts with folks who went HD prior to adding weight, and very few indicated it was a rough ride.  

I do not know how the body lift would effect the turbo set up. Basically you are lifting the body off the frame by 1.5 inches, which gives more space underneath for most applications. In the engine bay, little is actually mounted to the body, as most of it is attached directly to the frame, thus nothing shifts.  Even the exhaust should not be effected, as all of it should run along the frame as well.

As to your plan, the springs determine the height, the shocks limit travel and dampen movement.  As soon as you put those springs in, you are lifted as high as it is going to be, minus the body lift. I think you should replace the shocks at the same time, as the stock shocks will not have the extra length, and i would think would compress the springs artificially (someone confirm, as i am not sure but think that is correct (?)).

If it were me, i would do the whole ball of wax.  It is not that large a lift, so 31s will not look bad. See second photo of the set Dain linked. If you retain the stock fender flares it looks fine.  

Ken
Go Caps Go


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: sirjames186 on April 17, 2018, 07:57:20 AM
Here's the before/after on 30s then 33s with the whole lift.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180417/c8de11c97bfe50964c4dd8713fd78ca6.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone Running....
Post by: Go Caps Go on April 17, 2018, 09:46:48 AM
Keep in mind, while the diameter difference between a 31 and 33 is two inches, but from the hub/axle it is only one inch outward.  So it only fills the wheel wells by this much:  I___________I

That's it.  Focus on the end result, not what it looks like during the transition (which by the way, it will still look awesome).  Don't take form over function.

Ken
Go Caps Go


Title: Anyone Running....
Post by: Rken1288 on April 17, 2018, 02:54:22 PM
Sorry, forgot to come back to this.  In the 2 inch suspension + 1 BL vs 3 suspension, I'm in the 2inch + BL camp.  Does it limit my up travel a bit?  Yes.  But by adding the BL and a MML lift, you are laying the groundwork for a tummy tuck, which gains you that inch back where it counts, underneath the Jeep.  Personally, I'll sacrifice an inch of up travel or an extra inch of clearance (or more depending on which set up you go with) any day.

For the OME setup, I went with the heavy duty springs, which I highly recommend.  Their stock rate springs will barely give you an inch of lift.  With the HD springs I was a little over 2 inches, but not quite to 2.5.  I haven't measured since they were installed a year ago, so they could have settled down to 2 inches now.  If you run any kind of steel bumpers or larger tires, it automatically puts you in the HD weight category anyway.  I also haven't felt a need to run a different shock, the OME ones are really good.  But if you want to run an adjustable, Fox has a great reputation.  For me, it was easier to buy everything as a kit from DPG Offroad and not have to worry about a bunch of different things.  If you go the OME route, seriously just call Dirk and he'll set you up.  I'm sure you've seen his name/this kit floating around if you've been looking into an OME lift, and all I can say is it matches the hype.  I talked with Dirk on the phone multiple times for 30-45min and he answered all my questions.  https://www.dpgoffroad.com/product/old-man-emu-ultimate-tjlj-wrangler-kit/

I don't know anyone running the JKS lift, but again their reputation is very good, so you should be ok.
I agree...give Dirk a call....I am running the Ultimate set up. OME springs and shocks, JKS track bars front and rear, JKS sway bar links front and rear. JKS BL with the Brown Dog MML. Running 33ís with zero vibrations. Rides like a dream. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180417/b7eb8bca892ab3ff03697e175db4a3ac.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180417/9bf3476d5750be12c10e5441b751338b.jpg)


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